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you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative, old pat buchanan breed, of people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he was driving at i think is, look, i personally, like a lot of democrats i guess, i have confidence -- i know that president obama thinks about the use of drones and i know that he and -- i have confidence in him -- >> suppose cheney were president right now. >> exactly. >> right now. >> he's only going to be president for another 3 1/2 years. others are going to follow, and unless we kind of think about what sort of limits, if any, we want to put -- >> you remember cheney's speech about the shadowlands and the gray areas of the world and the hallways and the back hauls. >> exactly. >> he talks like that.
you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative, old pat buchanan breed, of people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he...
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i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and time again. the president knows that. those folks in the white house know that. john boehner can't get a deal done because he doesn't have the support of his caucus. so let's go to the members of that caucus who could potentially put a deal together. there's no other option. this is the way it has to be done. and i think it's very smart what he's doing. >> michael steele, do you have an incisive analytical comment to make disguised as a question? >> no. look, i picked myself up off the floor after reading gene's piece this morning. you know, gene, brot
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you saw him have john mccain and lindsey graham in for a private conversation this week. to me that was a very good sign. it's very important that they keep talking to each other and maybe on some issues like immigration they can make some progress. >> and, eugene, politically speaking the white house already starting to lay plans for what's going to happen in 2014. they need 17 seats to take control. that's a tall order. it would have to be clinton-like in terms of its achievement. >> it's a very tall order, particularly after redistricting has made a lot of safe districts for the republican majority. it's very difficult to draw a map and look at it and see how they pick up those 17 seats. then again, we're getting used to some pretty big swings in the house. >> no doubt. >> and not all anticipated. >> thank you. >> it happens. >> thank you. >> you gene robinson. thank you, jonathan alter. >>> up next, it's happened yet again, the right wing falls for another story without checking into whether it's true. this is "hardball," the place for politics. her recipe with sharon
you saw him have john mccain and lindsey graham in for a private conversation this week. to me that was a very good sign. it's very important that they keep talking to each other and maybe on some issues like immigration they can make some progress. >> and, eugene, politically speaking the white house already starting to lay plans for what's going to happen in 2014. they need 17 seats to take control. that's a tall order. it would have to be clinton-like in terms of its achievement....
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let's hear a little more of senator lindsey graham. >> he's a man to himself. you got to remember, senator paul was the one senator who voted against a resolution that said the policy of the united states will not be to contain a nuclear capable iran. >> david, is this a sign of old gop versus newer guard of the gop? >> no. actually it's not. there's always been a split on the conservative movement within the republican party between interventionist republicans, neocons, and those who are isolationists. whether it's patrick buchanan or rand paul and others, some of whom have raised fourth amendment issues when it comes to things domestically. and this -- we've just never had these guys get the platform the way rand paul has seized it. and i think it makes john mccain and lindsey graham quite nervous because rand paul is, indeed, appealing to some tea party types, libertarian types, noninterventionist conservatives, as well as the wacky black helicopter types who fueled the militia movement back in the '90s, and they want to try to keep him in check i think for
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gop senators including roy blunt, tom coburn, susan collins, bob porker, lindsey graham, and rob portman. he'll also dine tonight with 11 republican senators at the jefferson hotel and will travel to capitol hill next week to meet with caucuses in both the house and the senate. so far, the good will is being reciprocated. according to senator lindsey graham, what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue since the early days of his presidency. senator majority leader mitch mcconnell is all for daytont. >> frankly, i wish he'd done more of that over the years. we've had, all of us, very limited interaction with the president. he's certainly doesn't have to go through me to call on my members, and i'm sure he will, and i encourage him to do so. >> of course, necessity is usually the grandmother of change. despite several weeks of bully pulpit pressure, even the president acknowledged that his hands are tied unless congress decides to cooperate. >> this idea that somehow there's a secret formula or secret sauce to get speaker boehner or mitch mcconn
gop senators including roy blunt, tom coburn, susan collins, bob porker, lindsey graham, and rob portman. he'll also dine tonight with 11 republican senators at the jefferson hotel and will travel to capitol hill next week to meet with caucuses in both the house and the senate. so far, the good will is being reciprocated. according to senator lindsey graham, what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue since the early days of his presidency. senator...
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. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with what politico is putting out as the headline. grand bargain back with a question mark. we look at what paul ryan said after lunch with the president, where i think hope is being borne from. everyone needs to be part of this conversation. we need an open debate about how best to balance the budget and expand opportunities. so, sir, outside of the lines of the continuing resolution coming out of the house side. what you month would you guesstimate that we mae get the grand bargain? >> the issue is not the grand bargain. the issue is what's in the grand bargain. when you have growing inequality, 100% of all new income genera
. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with...
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that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the solution? >> if the depresses demand too much -- chris: it's not doing that apparently. >> if it doesn't, i'm all for it. >> there's a possibility to adjust among different budget counts talking to people who run our military services, talking to people in the intelligence community, they do have real problems and they're not going to be able to watch a spy satellite. they're having trouble juggling ship positions. chris: my question goes back to you, is there incentive enough for both parties to give, real gliv until it hurts? the fact the republicans ha
that's the real lindsey graham/rand paul divide. and that's why in some ways democrats can't say this but they're actually quietly ok with the sequester. what it does is it cuts defense in a way -- the political process would not be able to do. obviously obama has always wanted this grand bargain. the politics is not been able to work for it. but he's also said -- chris: isn't this the bargain? isn't this second best solution by both sigh, this sequester? >> yes. chris: is this the...
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lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the democratic and republican caucuses in both the house and the senate. joining me right now nia-malika henderson who covers all this. and former mayor willie brown. thank you for joining us. i want to talk about the appearance of this and the reality of this, which is more important? >> it is the appearance of it. for all reasons fall beyond anything we can ever fathom, this is the kind of thing that should have been done from the first day that the president was elected. he should have been able to develop a relationship with every person holding office one on one
lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do that. where this goes, i don't know. >> see how to explain the whole thing. almost apologizing for meeting with the president. the president will meet separately with the...
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meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his words getting the frogs in the wheelbarrow. but this week i think exposed some serious changes, if not a rift within the elder wing -- the elder sort of establishment wing of the republican party in the upper chamber. not just on sequester but with the rand paul talky filibuster. >> i was pleased see that picture because normally there's a democrat standing there getting a scowl. >> i've been on elevators like that myself. you know, i think that, you know, i appreciate what senator mccain and senator graham were trying to say. under no circumstances are americans at home in danger of gett
meanwhile, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his...
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this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is something that we want, but when we hear senator mccain mentioning the u.s. citizen that was killed in 2011, there was an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" "wall street journal" talking about what it means to be an enemy combatant. he was considered to be an enemy combatant, but in yemen. can a drone be used here if an enemy combatant is on american soil here. how will the conversation go? >> i think these are fundamental questions that have not been debated in the united states when it comes to applies the drone policy overseas. this is part of the criticism that many have against the united states
this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is...
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over 1% of the people there have been successfully convicted. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he is very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who by longed in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes. i have been firm against torture, but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure military facility that provides this country a great asset. and we have received a lot of information from guantanamo bay detainees. >> you remember, when there was the trial eventually reversed. what do you think about the pros and cons, legally speaking, either sending him to guantanamo bay or new york? >> well, it is true there is a major difference between the two in terms of interrogation. in a criminal court where he is now, he will receive a lawyer who will surely say stop talking to prosecutors, don't say anything. in guantanamo, there will be more flexibility to
over 1% of the people there have been successfully convicted. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he is very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who by longed in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes. i have been firm against torture, but i do believe...
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. >> yessssssssjohn mccain and his southern bell lindsey graham. i don't remember any of you suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. thank you, lindsay! and have an extra mint julep on me. he said i must say the use of jane fonda's name does bring up certain memories but she acted within her constitutional rights, and to say this is simply false. thank you grampy. thank you grampy. ♪ let's hear it for the boys ♪ ♪ let's give the boy a hand ♪ >> stephanie: fight. fight! and the wall street journal [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: calm down senator. >> i loved that. it was so condescending. >> stephanie: the editorial board was not among those lauding the senator, asking him to calm down. >> they are not one of his fans. >> stephanie: stop it. they brought in ann romney to tell him to stop it. >> ann romney: stop it. this is hard. you want to try it, get in the ring. >> stephanie: you want to try it without a catheter you try it. >> i am not one of your fans! >> stephanie: noting paul's theatri
. >> yessssssssjohn mccain and his southern bell lindsey graham. i don't remember any of you suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. thank you, lindsay! and have an extra mint julep on me. he said i must say the use of jane fonda's name does bring up certain memories but she acted within her constitutional rights, and to say this is simply false. thank you grampy. thank you grampy. ♪ let's hear it for the boys ♪ ♪ let's give the boy a hand ♪ >>...
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he's doing the right thing according to lindsey graham. i mean, does this mean that there's a possibility that the president can work out a big bargain here or something? some kind of adjustment of compromise, james? >> well, listen. the president is always -- and he's shown himself to be willing and able to compromise. in fact, those of us on the left have been disturbed by some of the compromises that he has made. so he's always moving towards consensus. i think he's always demonstrated he's willing to work with folk in congress. this ryan budget is not a compromise. this is not the kind of compromise that the president will be able to buy into. essentially it changes the terms of the contract for medicare. but at the end of the day of course he's ready to compromise. he's already shown that. we just haven't seen that from the other side, rev. >> well, you say those of us on the left. the question is what's left after they meet? krystal ball and james peterson, thanks for your time this evening. >> thank you. >> don't forget to catch kry
he's doing the right thing according to lindsey graham. i mean, does this mean that there's a possibility that the president can work out a big bargain here or something? some kind of adjustment of compromise, james? >> well, listen. the president is always -- and he's shown himself to be willing and able to compromise. in fact, those of us on the left have been disturbed by some of the compromises that he has made. so he's always moving towards consensus. i think he's always demonstrated...
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on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a problem that does not exist, a wild hypothetical that has not happened, perhaps never will happen. part of the gop's program of like real solutions for fake problems. americans in restaurants can rest assured that they will not be droned. >> i hope jane fonda knows that. >> especially if they're not combatants against america. so they can be comfortable tonight and into the future. but like rand paul 2016 is actually looking better. is he going to win the nomination? probably not. is he going to be president? certainly not. but he can be a player in 2016 and doing that thing we've seen in the primaries where you
on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a...
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agreeing with lindsey graham kind of creeps me out. he told the truth right? >> as i said, democrats are -- progressives conservatives libertarians greens, you know, pretty much most americans think the idea of giving the executive branch unlimited carte blanche to kill people is a bad and dumb idea. neocons, lindsey graham is a neocon so bingo. >> john: these republicans who didn't complain when bush was doing it and now they complain when obama was doing it. rand paul and his dad had been consistent. thom hartmann, you have the smartest radio show. thank you for coming on with us tonight. >> thank you john. >> john: see you soon. arkansas passes an abortion law that's so restrictive, it will definitely get struck down by the supreme court unless it doesn't. that's coming up. [ male announcer ] it's red lobster's lobsterfest our largest selection of lobster entrees like lobster lover's dream or new grilled lobster and lobster tacos. come in now and sea food differently. visit redlobster.com now for an exclusive $10 coupon on two lobsterfest entrees. >> john:
agreeing with lindsey graham kind of creeps me out. he told the truth right? >> as i said, democrats are -- progressives conservatives libertarians greens, you know, pretty much most americans think the idea of giving the executive branch unlimited carte blanche to kill people is a bad and dumb idea. neocons, lindsey graham is a neocon so bingo. >> john: these republicans who didn't complain when bush was doing it and now they complain when obama was doing it. rand paul and his dad...
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he's been blasted for the filibuster by john mccain and sin lindsey graham for using scare tactics. >> so somehow allege or infer that the president of the united states is going to kill somebody like jane fonda or someone who disagrees with the policies is a stretch of imagination which is frankly ridiculous. ridiculous. >> the first ads for the first in the nation 2016 iowa presidential kau kigss are on the air. the patriot superpac is running the spots against virginia's republican governor bob mcdonnell for raising taxes. >>> a new book about hillary clinton calmed "the secretary" says the secret to her globe trotting stamina is hot peppers. >>> fashion designer vivian westwood is criticizing the first lady for what she wears. she calls michelle obama a nice looking woman but claims her clothes don't suit her. she calls the first lady's clothes, quote, dreadful. how can that be? >>> the white house says despite the extreme -- eggstreme budget cuts from the sequester the kids will not be disappointed. the annual easter egg roll will be held. the people's house will hold the annual
he's been blasted for the filibuster by john mccain and sin lindsey graham for using scare tactics. >> so somehow allege or infer that the president of the united states is going to kill somebody like jane fonda or someone who disagrees with the policies is a stretch of imagination which is frankly ridiculous. ridiculous. >> the first ads for the first in the nation 2016 iowa presidential kau kigss are on the air. the patriot superpac is running the spots against virginia's...
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now, again, john mccain, republican from arizona, lindsey graham, republican from south carolina, have both said over the weekend on the sunday talk shows that they are holding out the possibility of still holding up the john brennan confirmation vote. my guess is at the end of the day they don't particularly after you see some of these concessions from the white house, so my guess is brennan does go through later in the week, and at that point, andrea, you now have all of the major no, ma'am nags that the president made in terms of his cabinet level offices. they all went through. they didn't go through probably exactly as he planned. chuck hagel may be more contentious, although my guess is they knew it was going to be contentious, but john kerry, chuck hagel, jack lew, and now likely john brennan, so the president is getting the cabinet that he wanted, though, you know, the path toward it was a little bit of a roller coaster. >> owe think quite a bit of a roller coaster, i would say, about chuck hagel, and he still has to prove that he hasn't been damaged internally at the pentagon
now, again, john mccain, republican from arizona, lindsey graham, republican from south carolina, have both said over the weekend on the sunday talk shows that they are holding out the possibility of still holding up the john brennan confirmation vote. my guess is at the end of the day they don't particularly after you see some of these concessions from the white house, so my guess is brennan does go through later in the week, and at that point, andrea, you now have all of the major no, ma'am...
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the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years. >> i think it is a good thing in taking that revenue and putting it and not using it to combat the deficit. >> it soupd sounds like they ar saying let's use some of it for deficit reduction. >> that is tiny. >> i guess it is. to me, it seems like the line has been in the last month. it was the line before the revenues got passed. we can't talk about any tax some every time that is invoked in the context of nef virevenue, i only discuss it in the context of opening up the tax code of being litigated and legislated in which case nothing is going to done. >> if they can figure out a way around it, the bush tax cuts were a lowering taxes because they doubled them on january 1st. if there was a way to make them about combatting the deficit and saying this is a tax hike, i feel like they could be baited into a tax hike. if it is plausible to get more revenue it is going to have to be in the context o
the fact that he is saying that lindsey graham has suggested the same thing. paul ryan is sitting at home trying to figure out a way to balance the budget in ten years. >> i think it is a good thing in taking that revenue and putting it and not using it to combat the deficit. >> it soupd sounds like they ar saying let's use some of it for deficit reduction. >> that is tiny. >> i guess it is. to me, it seems like the line has been in the last month. it was the line before...
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. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numbers are important but the policy is an important as well. yeah, we want to do that.
. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every...
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senator john mccain to a certain extent, lindsey graham came out and criticized that filibuster. and it was seen as kind of an old guard, young turk sort of divide in the republican party. if you had to describe what is going on now inside the republican party, how would you describe it? >> i would say it is a natural process of where there's divergen divergence, people can express their views openly. but that on the broad issues, there's still broad support and concurrence. the fact that senator mccain was critical of elements of what senator paul said is fair. but on the other hand, i think he would respect the fact that senator paul got a response from the administration on the key question of whether or not drones could be used against american citizens on american soil. i think it's okay to have a disagreement. you know, we don't march lock step 100% in agreement all the time. but on these broader issues, i think there is broad support and that's what's emerging in the republican party going forward. >> and the president's so-called charm offensive, it's been noted by some f
senator john mccain to a certain extent, lindsey graham came out and criticized that filibuster. and it was seen as kind of an old guard, young turk sort of divide in the republican party. if you had to describe what is going on now inside the republican party, how would you describe it? >> i would say it is a natural process of where there's divergen divergence, people can express their views openly. but that on the broad issues, there's still broad support and concurrence. the fact that...
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graham, are putting down rand paul because he isn't one of them and he dared to question the use of u.s. military power in this case against individual citizens. where are you, a man of the left, on this one? >> well, on the subject of drones, and this is a very interesting thing to watch this divide among the republicans whereas you say the establishment, which is reflexively pro-military on the republican side, is running up against the new tea party republicans who aren't to reflexively pro-military who are ideologically libertarian and see threats to civil liberties where some progressive lefties might also. i, too, am troubled like rand paul, like a stopped clock occasionally he's right and on the use of drones -- >> i used that phrase yesterday. did you watch last night because i said a broken clock is right twice a day. >> i didn't see that. great minds think alike. >> it's yours, too. let me go to cynthia -- if you want to finish that thought go ahead. rand paul can be pretty wacky. he's talking about the united states government hitting somebody in a cafe, i imagine a cafe
graham, are putting down rand paul because he isn't one of them and he dared to question the use of u.s. military power in this case against individual citizens. where are you, a man of the left, on this one? >> well, on the subject of drones, and this is a very interesting thing to watch this divide among the republicans whereas you say the establishment, which is reflexively pro-military on the republican side, is running up against the new tea party republicans who aren't to...
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graham appeared to give wriggle room with revenue or reform to the tax code. >> he did. and then speaker boehner does the opposite and so the challenge here is, who are you negotiating with? i think part of the smart strategy in terms of the white house and what they're doing is, listen, if we can't negotiate with the leadership and it's clearly not been very productive, let's try to negotiate with the rank and file members and see where there's common ground and then build momentum from the bottom up on the leaders. >> april, real quick. i want to read what john dickerson of "slate" and saying early in his first term, he, meaning the president, reached out to senators grassley, snowe, collins and specter in the negotiations and tried a back room deal to secure the support of nebraska senator ben nelson. while obama may not be very good at trying to work congress, he may only have done it in fits and starts but you can't say he hasn't tried. so that's the focus of trying with republicans. has he done the same with democrats, april? >> democrats are saying that they are n
graham appeared to give wriggle room with revenue or reform to the tax code. >> he did. and then speaker boehner does the opposite and so the challenge here is, who are you negotiating with? i think part of the smart strategy in terms of the white house and what they're doing is, listen, if we can't negotiate with the leadership and it's clearly not been very productive, let's try to negotiate with the rank and file members and see where there's common ground and then build momentum from...
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in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is msnbc, the place for politics. max and penny kept our bookstore exciting and would always come to my rescue. but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula. i just fed the recommended amount... and they both loved the taste. after a few months max's "special powers" returned... and i got my hero back. purina cat chow healthy weight. for the things you can't wash, freshen them with febreze. ♪ because febreze doesn't just cover up odors... it penetrates deep in
in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is...
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now, you see today that republicans like lindsey graham and john mccain are making rand paul pay the price for what happened. >> megyn: they are not happy at all. they think his behavior was offensive and insulting and raising an issue they don't think is a real one and demeans the presidency by suggesting that he would at random kill americans sitting in a cafe. >> and i might submit that that's the reason rand paul was where he was last night and why senator graham was where he was last night dining with the president. you don't get access, don't get influence, don't get to be part of the discussion behind closed doors in washington d.c. making a stink, being the skunk at the garden party, like rand paul did. however, rand paul can count this on his side. the american people didn't like washington and didn't like cut out of the process that this new brand of populous libertarian style of populace in the republican party may have currency and may make him a contending for 2016. >> megyn: you look out the window behind you and literally we're expecting to see the pigs fly. what he di
now, you see today that republicans like lindsey graham and john mccain are making rand paul pay the price for what happened. >> megyn: they are not happy at all. they think his behavior was offensive and insulting and raising an issue they don't think is a real one and demeans the presidency by suggesting that he would at random kill americans sitting in a cafe. >> and i might submit that that's the reason rand paul was where he was last night and why senator graham was where he...
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graham were among those that took him to task on the floor. really sort of teaching the new kid some lessons, some would say. >> that's what you do. you try to say, you know, i wish -- they always say how do you break up a filibuster? i said bring a cot. nobody would help him, and you do irritate your colleagues when you do that. you keep them up late at night, you know, and then you need some colleagues to come, and they won't come. anyway, there are fewer of those people percentage-wise in the senate than there are in the house where you have 80 people that didn't come there to limit government. they came there to stop it, and that's what they have to deal with over there, and i think he has them corralled in pretty well now. he is saying, you know, no spending cuts, but you can't tax your way out of this baby. you can't cut spending your way out of this baby. you can't grow your way out. you have to have a blend, and i think that's what they're working on, and i see that. >> what do you think of at least rand paul was an old-fashioned real
graham were among those that took him to task on the floor. really sort of teaching the new kid some lessons, some would say. >> that's what you do. you try to say, you know, i wish -- they always say how do you break up a filibuster? i said bring a cot. nobody would help him, and you do irritate your colleagues when you do that. you keep them up late at night, you know, and then you need some colleagues to come, and they won't come. anyway, there are fewer of those people percentage-wise...
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. >> so, aaron, why did mccain and lindsey graham attack him on the senate floor? didn't it hurt mccain and graham? >> it might. i think this is an area where graham and mccain have a very significant policy difference with rand paul and a lot of the new republicans who are joining the senate these days. at the same time, i think this is an issue -- you know, the rand paul filibuster got a lot of attention because it was fascinating this guy was talking for 13 hours. it wasn't necessarily that people in the republican party were embracing his message, so to speak. so, you know, i think the republican party is very much split on this issue but i don't think it's a point of emphasis. i do think it's interesting that mccain and graham are spending time making this point and mccain even calling somebody names, which is unusual for the senate. but i don't think this is going to be a big deal long term given that foreign policy is not at the top of the ticket right now. >> although, don't know, did you see that one picture of them inside the senate elevator? it was awkwa
. >> so, aaron, why did mccain and lindsey graham attack him on the senate floor? didn't it hurt mccain and graham? >> it might. i think this is an area where graham and mccain have a very significant policy difference with rand paul and a lot of the new republicans who are joining the senate these days. at the same time, i think this is an issue -- you know, the rand paul filibuster got a lot of attention because it was fascinating this guy was talking for 13 hours. it wasn't...
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. >> michael: well, when mccain is somewhere, lindsey graham can't be far behind. he also took to the floor incredibly to defend the president he once called tone deaf and a failed commander in chief. >> there are a thousand examples of a failed presidency, but there's also some agreement. i congratulate him for having the good judgment to understand we're at war, and to my party i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer think that we're at war. >> michael: the conservative media agrees. the wall street journal editorial addressed to rand paul quote, calm down, senator mr. holder is right. the u.s. government can't randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. senator paul shot right back on cnn this morning. >> the wall street journal is right on a lot of issues and they're wrong on this issue. the problem is if i call an enemy combatant how do we know if you are or aren't? >> michael: to answer that question eric holder has come in. he said, it came to my attention that you asked an additional question. if you does the president have the author
. >> michael: well, when mccain is somewhere, lindsey graham can't be far behind. he also took to the floor incredibly to defend the president he once called tone deaf and a failed commander in chief. >> there are a thousand examples of a failed presidency, but there's also some agreement. i congratulate him for having the good judgment to understand we're at war, and to my party i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer think that we're at war. >> michael: the conservative...
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joining me now with reaction, someone who has been demanding answers since day one, senator lindsey graham, senator, welcome back, sir. >> thank you and god bless fox news. >>. >> sean: well, thank you for saying that. i met ty woods father. >> yeah. >> sean: i've got it tell you something, his son gave his life saving other people and we deserve answers. this has gone on too long. when we be able to talk to the survivors, some of the gaps we have can be filled by them, they were there. >> we're going to write a letter, senator ayotte and myself to senator kerry asking him to make survivors available to the congress, the appropriate committees can interview the survivors about what happened that night. six months later, what do we know, sean? we know that the story told by susan rice on 16th of september that the consulate was significantly, substantially and strongly secured has collapsed and we know her story and the president's story, an al-qaeda attack caused by a hateful video that led to a spontaneous riot has collapsed. we know that the story they told us for weeks after the attack
joining me now with reaction, someone who has been demanding answers since day one, senator lindsey graham, senator, welcome back, sir. >> thank you and god bless fox news. >>. >> sean: well, thank you for saying that. i met ty woods father. >> yeah. >> sean: i've got it tell you something, his son gave his life saving other people and we deserve answers. this has gone on too long. when we be able to talk to the survivors, some of the gaps we have can be filled by...
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so did his pal lindsey graham. but john mccain starts walling them wacko and wacko birds. the people that were around rand paul around that. mike leigh, ted cruz. is there a change now? is john mccain too far out there and this is the new group that's going to run the senate and the gop? >> i don't know. i like rand paul. he's a very intelligent guy. he made some good points. but he does look -- i hate to say, he can look a little nutty. and anytime anybody talks for 12 hours you're going to look nutty. and it's the old guard who have been ineffective. they've lost the white house. listening to them for the last couple of elections. there's this new guard who i don't think has really accomplished much of anything. you get the middle guard. the middle guard are guys like chris christie. governors, mcdonnell in virginia. governors who have really accomplished things. and those are who we should be listening to. those should be the models for the gop. >> blake, let me ask you the same question. want to add some important names. around rand paul directly that night was mike le
so did his pal lindsey graham. but john mccain starts walling them wacko and wacko birds. the people that were around rand paul around that. mike leigh, ted cruz. is there a change now? is john mccain too far out there and this is the new group that's going to run the senate and the gop? >> i don't know. i like rand paul. he's a very intelligent guy. he made some good points. but he does look -- i hate to say, he can look a little nutty. and anytime anybody talks for 12 hours you're going...
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joining me now with reaction, someone who has been demanding answers since day one, senator lindsey graham, senator, welcome back, sir. >> thank you and god bless fox news. >>. >> sean: well, thank you for saying that. i met ty woods father. >> yeah. >> sean: i've got it tell you something, his son gave his life saving other people and we deserve answers. this has gone on too long. when we be able to talk to the survivors, some of the gaps we have can be filled by them, they were there. >> we're going to write a letter, senator ayotte and myself to senator kerry asking him to make survivors available to the congress, the appropriate committees can interview the survivors about what happened that night. six months later, what do we know, sean? we know that the story told by susan rice on 16th of september that the consulate was significantly, substantially and strongly secured has collapsed and we know her story and the president's story, an al-qaeda attack caused by a hateful video that led to a spontaneous riot has collapsed. we know that the story they told us for weeks after the attack
joining me now with reaction, someone who has been demanding answers since day one, senator lindsey graham, senator, welcome back, sir. >> thank you and god bless fox news. >>. >> sean: well, thank you for saying that. i met ty woods father. >> yeah. >> sean: i've got it tell you something, his son gave his life saving other people and we deserve answers. this has gone on too long. when we be able to talk to the survivors, some of the gaps we have can be filled by...
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graham of south carolina said he's open to that. take a listen. >> to me this is a bipartisan problem. this is the chance to do the big deal. i'm willing to raise revenue. i'm willing to raise $600 billion in new revenue if my democratic friends would be willing to reform entitlements and we can fix sequestration together. >> why not go for the big deal at this point? you mentioned the president's position earlier. his position always was $2 or $3 in spending cuts for every dollar in revenue. right now you're going at a rate of $4 in spending cuts for every dollar in new revenue. are you prepared to sit down and talk about a much bigger deal? >> well, george, what the president is now -- what he pushed recently in the senate this week, the 85 billion small deal with tax increases, that's not going to work. if we're going to increase revenue again, it's got to go to the debt with real entitlement reform and real tax reform when you actually lower rates, and i thinkg that none of that has been in this discussion, so absolutely i think
graham of south carolina said he's open to that. take a listen. >> to me this is a bipartisan problem. this is the chance to do the big deal. i'm willing to raise revenue. i'm willing to raise $600 billion in new revenue if my democratic friends would be willing to reform entitlements and we can fix sequestration together. >> why not go for the big deal at this point? you mentioned the president's position earlier. his position always was $2 or $3 in spending cuts for every dollar...
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senator lindsey graham, this is from wednesday's hearing with a trade general eric holder. [video clip] >> we have been talking about this ever since you live at this job. >> during confirmation. >> absolutely. i want to congratulate you and the president. he has fought long and hard about how to send the homeland in very difficult circumstances. i applaud your efforts in the drug program. i think it has really helped us in afghanistan and pakistan. i just believe it is a tactical tool that this president should be using and i think he is using it responsibly. host: george in baton rouge, louisiana, a democrat. the use of domestic drones. caller: this is what i have to say, a trader for is not a citizen -- traitor. i served in the navy un john keynes's father johnwho the skipper of the ship by was on. whenever you hear filibuster, you can reset the congressional record and you will find the from mississippi including long and others. you can find that in your congressional record for over 100 years. you can rest assured that when you hear of a filibuster, is a southerner. s
senator lindsey graham, this is from wednesday's hearing with a trade general eric holder. [video clip] >> we have been talking about this ever since you live at this job. >> during confirmation. >> absolutely. i want to congratulate you and the president. he has fought long and hard about how to send the homeland in very difficult circumstances. i applaud your efforts in the drug program. i think it has really helped us in afghanistan and pakistan. i just believe it is a...
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he has spoken with senators lindsey graham, susan collins rob portman bob corker, among others. without revealing details of the conversations, there is an inned case he may have a window of opportunity to find some common ground. the president's outreach is a deliberate move to circumvent g.o.p. congressional leadership who is adamantly refusing to budge. the president's also expected to make a rare trip up to the hill next week to meet separately with both the republican and democratic caucuses in both chambers. turns out the tea party is just not that into rick scott anymore. henry kelly has some creative words for the florida governor who, shockingly, decided to back the affordable care act expansion of medicaid for people making up to 133% of the poverty level. kelly writes on his blog "i'm trying to figure out how medicaid is going to pay to remove the knife in my back." scott is not shy about making a complete 180 after federal government granted florida a waiver to use private funds for plans. scott has a history of being cool with taxpayer money fund-raising private ind
he has spoken with senators lindsey graham, susan collins rob portman bob corker, among others. without revealing details of the conversations, there is an inned case he may have a window of opportunity to find some common ground. the president's outreach is a deliberate move to circumvent g.o.p. congressional leadership who is adamantly refusing to budge. the president's also expected to make a rare trip up to the hill next week to meet separately with both the republican and democratic...
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well, senator lindsey graham who is working to craft legislation on the issue said the proposal outlined in mr. bush's book, quote, undercuts what we're trying to do. but governor bush seemed to change his stance somewhat during a series of recent interviews prompting tough criticism from senate majority leader harry reid. >> let's wait for a few minutes and see how jeb bush changes his mind again. his opinion on immigration is not evolving. it's devolving. he keeps going backwards. i think he's frankly made a fool of himself the last 24 hours. frankly, on this issue, i don't think jeb bush is a florida leader. i think marco rubio is. bush has been elected to nothing lately. rubio is the leader on immigration. >> okay. joe, a new poll by latino decisions shows immigration reform is by far the most important issue for hispanic voters. that's by the economy and jobs, education and health care. >> john heilemann, let's talk, john heilemann, about your next book. bush -- "game change 2016." i think this may have to be the opening scene of jeb getting out of a cab in the middle of the dark, y
well, senator lindsey graham who is working to craft legislation on the issue said the proposal outlined in mr. bush's book, quote, undercuts what we're trying to do. but governor bush seemed to change his stance somewhat during a series of recent interviews prompting tough criticism from senate majority leader harry reid. >> let's wait for a few minutes and see how jeb bush changes his mind again. his opinion on immigration is not evolving. it's devolving. he keeps going backwards. i...
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. >> alisyn: that was senator lindsey graham raising a question we've heard a lot in the last 20 hours. how did the obama administration decide on a civilian court trial for this man. he's usama bin laden son-in-law, 28-year-old served as an al-qaeda spokesman. he pled not guilty in new york this morning on the charge of conspiracy to kill americans. today's hearing raises serious questions about the decision to hold this trial on u.s. soil, rather than at guantanamo bay. joe connor's husband was killed in the world trade center on 9/11 and he joins me now. >> hi. >> alisyn: tell me what you thought when you heard the news that another al-qaeda spokesperson top official was captured. >> i thought it was a great news that he was captured and congratulate our intelligence officials, it's good and bad news, but look what we're doing with him. put him in a civilian court and that's wrong. >> alisyn: president obama campaigned on the idea that he would close guantanamo bay. what do you not like about trying them in new york city. >> i don't think they should be given the same rights as u.s.
. >> alisyn: that was senator lindsey graham raising a question we've heard a lot in the last 20 hours. how did the obama administration decide on a civilian court trial for this man. he's usama bin laden son-in-law, 28-year-old served as an al-qaeda spokesman. he pled not guilty in new york this morning on the charge of conspiracy to kill americans. today's hearing raises serious questions about the decision to hold this trial on u.s. soil, rather than at guantanamo bay. joe connor's...
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graham pushing back against rand paul and ted cruz, and the new guard. women tend to negotiate those things a little bit more diplomatically, not less forcefully but more diplomatically. jenna: you say the women have the ability, specifically the conservative women you mention to reflect and express the message of the g.o.p. better over the next couple of years, or maybe to the advantage of the g.o.p. over the next couple of years. still let's go back to the message. do you think the g.o.p. message, the conservative message in this country is u know, put in the right form? is it actually out there in the right way to be kpwupbd, whoever is the one to communicate it? >> not right now. this is something that really needs a lot of work and maybe women can lead the charge on this. conservatives tend to argue in facts and facts tending to cold. when we talk about the deficit or debtor tax rates all of what we're saying as a conservative, i believe is accurate, but it tends not to resonate because it's not cast in more emotional terms. of i think what conserva
graham pushing back against rand paul and ted cruz, and the new guard. women tend to negotiate those things a little bit more diplomatically, not less forcefully but more diplomatically. jenna: you say the women have the ability, specifically the conservative women you mention to reflect and express the message of the g.o.p. better over the next couple of years, or maybe to the advantage of the g.o.p. over the next couple of years. still let's go back to the message. do you think the g.o.p....
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senator lindsey graham among them. >> we believe firmly that gitmo, there is no substitute for it, that congress will agree upon, that it is the right place to put an enemy combatant for interrogation and at all possible trial. >> we're going to talk about a little of the politics of that a little later. first, suleman abugathe. tim lister here, executive editor. he wasn't an operations guy, but clearly he was well connected. a son-in-law of bin laden. here he is side by side with him. how did we get our hands on him? >> like an episode out of "homeland". he was skulking around in iran for ten years. got there in 2002. he seems to be very restless. at some point the iranians pushed him or he decided to go. he crosses the border into turkey on a forged saudi passport. the turks horrified, this is the last thing they want. he's in turbish custody for four weeks. the cia alerted the turks he was staying at this luxury hotel in ankara. >> luxury hotel. >> they put him on a plane to kuwait, his land of birth, but the plane stops in jordan and the jordanians, close to the cia, hand him over.
senator lindsey graham among them. >> we believe firmly that gitmo, there is no substitute for it, that congress will agree upon, that it is the right place to put an enemy combatant for interrogation and at all possible trial. >> we're going to talk about a little of the politics of that a little later. first, suleman abugathe. tim lister here, executive editor. he wasn't an operations guy, but clearly he was well connected. a son-in-law of bin laden. here he is side by side with...
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the 12 senators he had dinner with, lindsey graham, john mccain, bob corker and a few others want to reach the deal on a bipartisan big-budget deal and what he's trying to do is work around mcconnell, that we'll discuss later, can't work with president obama right now because he has a primary to work about. john boehner can't work with him because the house republicans don't like him. if the president can find 15 republicans to work with and craft a deal it can probably be passed in the house and senate and become law, and that's the main goal. gun control, immigration, these meetings will not help, but that one issue i think it will help a lot. >> amy, one of the things -- one of the things that seems to have come out of this meeting if you were to believe peggy noonan's account with the two senators not named in the "wall street journal" piece that she wrote, at one point three of the senators became emotional. like the picture, again, the picture that's painted, at least is that folks are sitting around a table who just kind of rediscovered each other and some were moved to tears.
the 12 senators he had dinner with, lindsey graham, john mccain, bob corker and a few others want to reach the deal on a bipartisan big-budget deal and what he's trying to do is work around mcconnell, that we'll discuss later, can't work with president obama right now because he has a primary to work about. john boehner can't work with him because the house republicans don't like him. if the president can find 15 republicans to work with and craft a deal it can probably be passed in the house...
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. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he's very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who belonged in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. listen to senator graham. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes? i have been firm against torture but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure military facility that provides this country a great asset and we've received a lot of information from guantanamo bay detainees. >> as you remember, the uproar a few years ago when they were thinking of sending sheikh mohammed to be tried before a civil court in new york. that eventually was reversed. what do you think about the pros and cons legally speaking? >> well, it is true that there is a major difference between the two in terms of interrogation. in a criminal court where he is now, he will receive a lawyer who will undoubted he will say, stop talking to prosecutors.
. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he's very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who belonged in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. listen to senator graham. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes? i have been firm against torture but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure...